Nibiru, 2012, Q&A from NASA, all 2012 discussion

[ZenGalacticore]

Smersh- It all comes down to money. These people producing this stuff, I would think most of them know that it's 'woo woo'. But they also know that there's a big market for the pseudo-science among millions, if not hundreds of millions of the pseudo-scientific, entertainment starved masses.

The sad thing about it, and a part of our nature is, that these kind of 'woo woo' films will perpetuate faux scholarship and pseudo-scientific practices. It will never end. They will continually try to redefine "evidence", and they will continue to pervert, distort, and misrepresent science and the scientific method for the sake of immediate monetary gratification.

Oh, I look forward to January 1, 2013. If nothing else than for at least a momentary period of reflection for the suckers that fall for all this balderdash, as well as what I'm sure will be a fleeting pleasure for the rationalists that will be sporting enough to NOT say, "we told you so."

Of course, the woos will just postpone the apocalypse to 2021, or '29, or...

[Fallingstar1971]

According to geological evidence the Earth is billions of years old.
According to geological evidence life has existed for millions of years
Any 2012 theory would have to be cyclonic, and wiping out ALL life would leave no one to pass the cycle on to.
Therefor the world will NOT end in 2012


The AGE will end in 2012
The Galactic Clock resets
But nothing cataclysmic


If the mayans or any other culture truely thought the world was ending, instructions would have been left behind on what THEY did to survive. Instructions that would be impossible to mis-understand. The human race would be at stake.

Instead what was left was rumors and legends. Not one recorded fact no where. Not one astronomical observation other than the galactic alignment, which is currently just an illusion created by the precession of the equinox.

And before you start citing to me biblical sources and egyptian whatevers, remember........

IT MUST BE CYCLONIC. Something that happened to one race, one time, is NOT cyclonic. If its true, there will be a cycle. It will be backed by geological evidence as something that goes off at regular intervals.

Saying "this" happened 1000000 years ago,
and something similar happened 750000 years ago
then something simliar 150000 years ago
followed by something unknown 20000 years ago

as you can see, no pattern and most likely coincidence.

And the platonic year is the completion of one precessional cycle. Did Plato have anything to say about New Years?

Only the Kolbrin Bible identifies any kind of cycle, but it cant be backed up scientifically, nor proven historically, therefor like the Holy Bible should be dismissed as a solid source of evidence.

The world is NOT going to end. But let me ask you all this. If it did, so what. What, exactly, could you DO about it? Nothing.

Star

[Mee_n_Mac]

Well, good to have that all settled !

[MeteorWayne]

Why did you start a new thread to beat this dead horse again. This will be merged into the
Nibiru and Doomsday 2012: Questions and Answers from NASAwhich has been pinned at the top of this forum for months.

[mabus]

According to geological evidence the Earth is billions of years old.
According to geological evidence life has existed for millions of years
Any 2012 theory would have to be cyclonic, and wiping out ALL life would leave no one to pass the cycle on to.
Therefor the world will NOT end in 2012


The AGE will end in 2012
The Galactic Clock resets
But nothing cataclysmic

What AGE ?
What Galactic Clock?

AGES are entirely fictitious human creations. I can declare this the age of thursday, and this age will end at midnight, upon which time the age of FRIDAY will commence.. Seriously.... anyone can declare any arbitrary period of time an "Age". It means absolutely nothing.

As for Galactic Clocks, no such thing exists.

If the mayans or any other culture truely thought the world was ending, instructions would have been left behind on what THEY did to survive. Instructions that would be impossible to mis-understand. The human race would be at stake.

Instead what was left was rumors and legends. Not one recorded fact no where. Not one astronomical observation other than the galactic alignment, which is currently just an illusion created by the precession of the equinox.

Actually, it doesn't even have anything to do with the Mayans. The Mayans left no predictions, no warnings, no rumours, and no myths related to any end times catastrophe. This is an entirely made up thing in 1966 by a Michael D Coe who wrote a book wherein he claimed that "There is a suggestion ... that Armageddon would overtake the degenerate peoples of the world and all creation on the final day of the thirteenth (Baktun). Thus ... our present universe would be annhilated on December 24th 2011 when the Great Cycle of the Long Count reaches completion."

This date was later revised to 2012, but as you can see, before 1966 no one was making any such claim. Unfortunately it's easier to start a stupid doomsday hoax than to stop one, and predictably, it took off becoming ever more popular as we moved closer to the alleged doomsday.

It's interesting to note that present-day Maya completely reject the claim and attach no special significance to 2012 whatsoever, but what do they know

And the platonic year is the completion of one precessional cycle. Did Plato have anything to say about New Years?

Not that I know, and I wouldn't care either way. There is nothing magical about new years, they are simply an arbitrary point we mark so as to keep track of time in a reasonable manner. To make it convenient we time them along with the four seasons for farming purposes, but it has no magical significance of any kind.

[Shpaget]

Cylons will destroy us, I tell you...



/cant wait

[Fallingstar1971]

By your command


Star


O and wayne I mis-interpreted the pin as "locked" as to why I started beating the dead horse.........

Besides, abusing dead horses is fun, they dont complain......

What? shut up you stupid horse (kicks dead horse that only "I" can hear)

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Fallingstar1971]

OK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precession

Start there

Learn the Zodiac. Where will the sun be on the next Spring Equinox? The answer is the age we are in today.
This is how it has been done all the way back to Plato and beyond. The names of the constellations may have changed but the phenomena has not.

No Mumbo Jumbo there

So declare whatever you want. The fact of the matter is this. If you want to understand the ancients, you MUST examine their methods and beliefs. If you want to understand yourself, then examine YOUR declarations and beliefs. (Coincidentally, your "Age of Thursday" coincides with the beginning of the "Age of Aquarius" (in case you dont wish to figure it out for yourself))

The King James Bible says in the gospel that Jesus said "And I will be with you until the end of the world"
Other translations say "And I will be with you until the end of the AGE"
Age we are leaving? Pisces
(pssst google "The Bible" and look at the different versions)
(pssst google Christianity and Pisces if you need help connecting the dots....)

No mumbo Jumbo there.......

So which is it?

End of the World, or end of an Age?

A Galactic year (or cosmic year) is the length of time it takes the Sun to do one orbit around the Galactic center. No Mumbo Jumbo there either. (I said Galactic Clock.....I suppose the clock would be the Milky Way itself since it keeps track of the year.) So let me be clear, The year starts over. The galaxy will not "reset" but the calender does.

Defense Rests

Star

[MeteorWayne]

BTW, the Sun is in Pisces at the Vernal Equinox

[Fallingstar1971]

A couple of problems.

1. Each sign is not the same size. When applying math one must evenly divide 360/12 for the size of each sign.

2. Even if item 1 is dismissed, the ancient Greeks, Mayans, Babylonians, Chinese, and other cultures all had their own charts with their own boundaries, When discussing a term as ancient and fa-reaching as an Age (in this context) modern boundaries are not necessarily up to the task at hand.

3. If I were to invoke Astrology, then we would be on the Cusp of Pisces and Aquarius.

4.Where, exactly, in Pisces? Which direction is it Precessing? And how far to Aquarius? I said leaving, not left, not arrived.

Star

[origin]

A couple of problems.

1. Each sign is not the same size. When applying math one must evenly divide 360/12 for the size of each sign.

2. Even if item 1 is dismissed, the ancient Greeks, Mayans, Babylonians, Chinese, and other cultures all had their own charts with their own boundaries, When discussing a term as ancient and fa-reaching as an Age (in this context) modern boundaries are not necessarily up to the task at hand.

3. If I were to invoke Astrology, then we would be on the Cusp of Pisces and Aquarius.

4.Where, exactly, in Pisces? Which direction is it Precessing? And how far to Aquarius? I said leaving, not left, not arrived.

Star

My horoscope said, "You will read a bunch of goofy crap about nonsense". Gee it is scary how accurate they can be.

I got a fortune cookie one time that said, and I quote, "Wow a message from your teeth!" I kid you not, it really said that. I have the feeling if I can figure out what that means I may reach nirvana or at least hear a song by nirvana....

I certainly hope I have not derailed this fascinating and intiguing - oh never mind....

[netdragon]

2012 is the media's next chance to use fear to increase ratings. Don't play into it and make fear-mongers rich. A lot of people here are wrong about the origin of 2012. I have read a lot about it in the past. It is based in astrology and Mayan calendar. The Mayans had an accurate calendar that just happens to end on Dec 21, 2012 (according to most interpretations, give or take a year). From http://www.astrologycourse.org/2012.htm (like many astrological sources):

In 2012 the galactic equator cuts the ecliptic at 0 degree of the Western zodiacal sign Capricorn. 0 degree Capricorn is the point of the zodiac where the Sun is during the December solstice.

At December 21, 11.12 GMT during the December solstice the Sun touches the Dark Rift, which is located near the Galactic Center. According to the Mayas the Dark Rift is the cosmic womb: the place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar.

The Mayans did not talk about Armegeddon. That is, instead, from Christianity. They instead said that the "4th world" would end, and the "5th world" would begin and a transformational rebirth process would ensue. However, when they talked about worlds, they were talking about cycles of time, since they believed time was cyclical. Therefore, they absolutely did not believe time or the earth would just end at that date. Even the Hopi prophecy rock doesn't specifically talk about some pre-destined Armegeddon. 2012 would have been a major event to the ancient Mayans, but it would have been celebrated just like we celebrate the start of a new millennium. Though unlike the start of the millennium, there is some astrological significance based in the movements of the heavenly bodies.

Unfortunately, it just so happens that both Christianity and Nostradamus quatrains (depending on how they are interpreted) leads us to believe this is the so-called time of rapture and Armegeddon. However, this assumption is based on no fact at all and was probably a result of the telephone game played over many years from what was originally probably astrologers in the middle east seeing similar things to what the Mayans did.

Anyway, so what do I think will happen on Dec 21, 2012? I think we will be about 1 week away from 2013. Now, I'm not saying we aren't going through a transformation. In fact I do think we are going through a social evolution that kicked off in the 1960s and will probably continue on through great social changes this century. We are getting more enlightened as a society. However, I don't believe it is localized on a specific day. Dec 21 2012 is as good a marker as any and it would be great if it is right in the center, since then that means that we will see even greater things in our lifetime than what happened in the last 50 years.


By the way, there is no agreement on whether the age of Aquarius officially starts in 2013. Most people put it around this time, give or take 100 years, but no exact day is known.